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"/lit/ - Literature" is 4chan's board for the discussion of books, authors, and literature.

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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

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Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
http://b-ok.org/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading
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Was anyone else duped by people like JP that Marxism and Communism implies an "equality of outcome"? I'm a STEMcel so I never had any formal humanities training but now I get that the abolision of class distinctions merely produces equality of opportunity. There is also a Lenin essay debating some Liberal professor in 1904 on this point.
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Why did it have such an impact on culture?
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What is art?
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>Pieces of story and memory slowly fit together.
Yay?
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How many pages did you all read today?

For me it’s
First book - 14 pages
Second book - 17 pages
Third book - 2 pages
Fourth book - 3 pages
Fifth book - 6 pages

42 total. Not bad.
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I want to have the most contrarian fringe opinions possible, what books should I read?
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>Wittgenstein was an engineer
>Popper was a psychologist
>Heidegger was a theologian
>Adorno was a sociologist
>Russell was a mathematician
>Kant was an ugly astronomer
>Nietzsche was a philologist
>Schmitt was a jurist

It seems like all the major philosophers weren't actually philosophers. So if you want to make it big in philosophy, you should study anything other than philosophy, it seems.
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Could he beat Zizek?
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Has anyone disproven Hume yet?

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And why did it take humans so long to come up with the is-ought problem? It seems like common sense, how was Hume the first to come up with it?
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What's up fellow literates, I recently wrote a book and I'm looking to publish it now.
>>How do I find a literary agent?
>>What are some good publishing companies or agents in the Dallas metropolitan area?

Thanks,
Jiraiya TW
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is Tim Ferriss a meme?
>meditation
>stoicism
>crypto
>intermittent fasting
>psychedelics
>buttered coffee
>mct oil
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>finish Passion of the Christ
>go to wikipedia and search jesus
>mfw he is actually real
This changes literally everything....
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/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

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SCHOLARS EDITION
>What are you reading?
>Who is the wisest character of them all?
>Do you enjoy reading books written around characters that are in pursuit of academic or other non violent goals (Merchants, craftsmen, researchers etc)? Post examples of suck books.

Monthly Reading for April: We by Yevgeny Zamyatin

Monthly Reading books: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15ZwgDZVXB-nLqjbgcqgntZDyTddd0eqP

Fantasy:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/0935e4cd59/105363.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21328.jpg
Flowchart:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21327.jpg

Science Fiction:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/def184ad8f/124507.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114401.jpg
General:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21332.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21330.jpg

NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21333.jpg

SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

Previously:
>>12952190
>>12941257
>>12930403
>>12919418
>>12910760
>>12904313
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What would you do if you met a Jibboo?
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Thoughts on Russell?
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Hahahahahahaha

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Imagine believing a crock of insane buddhist bullshit just because it is exotic to you. Not even Asians give a shit about this religion. They are all converting to Christianity
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Are song lyrics literature?
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Touhou
Why haven't you written your book/novel, /lit/? What possible excuse do you give yourself to not write?

For me, personally, is I don't know how to start my novel. I've done outlining and made notes on my novel but I don't know how to start it let alone write it. There are times where I cannot go more than a week of writing before I erase it and start all over again. Hoping that the next attempt is more successful than the last, yet always finding myself in the same position no matter what I do. At this point, I don't know if it's just my self-perceived or actual mediocrity as a writer, but it left me depressed.
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I'm not turning into a fanatic, am I
When will I grow up out of the Nietzschean phase? Because... it is a phase... right guys?
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How am I supposed to write dialogue if i'm socially retarded? I can't write like I would talk because I don't know how to.
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Books that will help with anger management issues?

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I keep REEEEing and I just can't stop.
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Zizek vs. Peterson Meme Thread

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Can we have a Zizek vs. Peterson Meme thread to compile some memes?
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Why are there no books that reflect the incel experience, besides Whatever? Asking for a friend.

Nearly every protagonist in every novel gets laid or romance at some point in their lives like it's the easiest and most natural thing in existence - which I suppose it is for everyone but people like my friend. It would just be nice to have my experience thoughtfully reflected in a piece of fiction that is well written and not a rant. Well, my experience of my friend. Obviously.
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>"Anon, let's skip today's Metaphysics lecture and spend the day in earnest conversation at the local hipster cafe with our large boisterous friend group, spend the afternoon perusing the city's museums and parks, catch that film at the indie cinema, spend a few hours writing the essays for our enjoyable college majors, and spend the night passionately fucking."

Why isn't or wasn't this your life? It's easily within reach.
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Reminder: Will Self made Slavoj Žižek look like a fool

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CId1iOWQUuo
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Stack Thread

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Picked all these up for only $7.00.
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Let's make a new Dark/Disturbing chart!

Chart Improvements 7
Previous thread: >>12896963

Pic related is the current and only chart for dark/disturbing books, and it could do with some improvements!
I'm trying to collect as much information as possible on books that could be added to this chart, as well as information on the current books, to see if they should stay or not.

Key:
Green - Books that stay
Blue - Books being replaced by another by the same author
Orange - Books on which it's undecided
Red - Books that will be removed
Nothing - This book has not been talked about, so I have almost no information on it


There are some rules for the new chart, to make it a little bit more clear:

- Firstly, the books should be disturbing, unnerving, unsettling, in one way or another. This is obviously the most subjective thing about the rules, and it's highly personal, but there can be a general consensus if enough people give their opinion on their experiences with the books.
- Try to steer away from straight/traditional horror. There are already a number of charts for this type of book.
- The same counts for solely depressing books. This one is more difficult, since dark/disturbing books can be depressing as well, and some of the current books are also in the 'depressing literature' chart, but that's unavoidable.
- More than one work per author is allowed!
- The books have to be fiction, unless there is a really good reason to add it.
- Books have to be both dark/disturbing and have quality in a literary sense. More extreme books tend to sacrifice quality in plot, writing, characters etc sometimes. It should be more than just shock value.
- This new chart should be for everyone! So works that are more popular should also be on the list.
- Plays and poems are also allowed.
- Books do not have to be extreme to be on this list.

Rules for adding/removing books:

- If you think a certain book belongs in the new chart, explain why. Tell what you thought of the book, what it is about, and in what sense it is dark/disturbing enough to be added.
- The same is true if you think a book does not belong in the chart.
- In the previous thread, I had the rule that if 2 or more people would recommend a book (with explanation), it would be added to the list. This might change depending on how many people comment on one specific book.
- If one or more people want a book to be removed (again, with explanation), I will remove it unless other people have a good reason for a book to stay.

Continuing in the next post.
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Best books on economics? Or economics books you like?

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I've read Das kapital and books on basic economics. Plus did a uni course on it.

Something crazy and more obscure would be good. Basic economics is boring as fuck. It's like learning about the economy in lord of the rings. interesting but doesn't have much bearing on reality. Das Kapital was great and i'm looking for books that aren't just bourgeoisie ranting
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the 'ubermensch' is just a nihilist who lies to himself
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Doritos, light of my life, cheese on my fingers. My hunger, my munchies.
Do-ree-toes: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Do. Ree. Tos.
It was chips, plain chips, during lunch, weighing one-point-eight ounces in one hand. It was Nacho Cheese for snacks. It was Cool Ranch at school. It was Salsa Verde in the shopping line.
But in my mouth, it was always Doritos.
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Balzac?
More like BALLSACK
HONK HONK
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How come there have been no great philosophical works in the last 40-50 years? Just a bunch of irrelevant Europeans with pedantic complaints of idealists that nobody should even bother reading. Zizek's whole career is a response to Hegel and Kant, who are dry and say absolutely nothing that isn't common sense. All current philosophy is stating social norms in a vacuous and verbose manner. Ooo morality. What happened to Nietzsche, Machiavelli, Plato, Wittgenstein, Montaigne, etc.
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Where do I start with Carlyle?
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>another member of the IDW recruited
>the most valuable member so far since he’s a Marxist and not just some pseud

How does he keep on doing it /lit/? He’s literally a shonen protagonist at this point.
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Homer

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What is the best edition of homers Odyssey and Illiad? I have just started to read books, so I thought Id pick a good editon of this classic.
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Thoughts?
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>Nezahualcoyotl (Hungry Coyote)
>considered by his peers to be the greatest poet of ancient Mexico
>Filled with thought, symbol, and myth, his poetry moved his people's culture so deeply that after his death generations of poets to follow would stand by the huehuetl drum and cry, "I am Nezahualcoyotl, I am Hungry Coyote," and sing his poems and keep them alive
>not only a great lyric poet, but was famed as an architect, engineer, city planner, reluctant warrior, lawgiver, and philosopher
>The cultural institutions he established included a library of hieroglyphic books, a zoological garden-arboretum, and a self-governing academy of scholars and poets
Shakespeare, Dante, and all the other "greats" could never reach the same level of noetic mastery as Hungry Coyote.
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What do you think of this book, /lit/? Are the Universal, the Major extreme, and the minor extreme all basically the same as the Form, Genera, and Species of Aristotle’s Metaphysics, in that order?

:3
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>age
>location
>current book
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Why is Peterson and others of the Intellectual Dork Web considered a """reactionary""" when he just believes in the same neoliberal, globalist and capitalist world order as every other liberal.
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gadfly
Many people don't like being proven wrong. It's almost painful, and this is why so many people get upset, especially when they are losing an argument. When writing papers for any discipline and engaging in arguments, how does one best prepare to be proven wrong?
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> reads a screenplay
> get hyped
> start writing a screenplay
> get unmotivated immediately cause i suck and cant write more than 4 lines

What do anons? How do I start/finish projects? All I wanna do is be good at something and I really LOVE screenwriting I just never can get started
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marx never worked
>reading marx

I mean, sure, but like
Why?
Nigga couldnt even keep up with his own money, and you think he has some idea of what should be done with yours? You think some hairbrained drunk can come up with a competent system that can actually be utilized successfully? For instance the reason that Fascism and Capitalism have been incredibly successful is that they focus on the here and now, Fascism being defined by Mussolini as literally "what works" as opposed to the pseudointellectual ravings of commies who simply want to prove that their system is "better" in one way or another, I hypothesize this is rooted in their parents not giving them enough attention when they were younger and I support this hypothesis with the fact that most commies are only children that dress up like women on the internet for clout.
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He says degeneracy and the loss of traditional values stem from capitalism. Any books that verse on this topic?
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Where's the pomo chart?
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Babel
>"What God creates, Man can destroy"

Does /lit/ agree? Guess my main question is: can we kill God? I am not talking in a philosophical sense like Nietzsche that "God is dead and we have killed him", but in a more historical and realistic sense that if when the scientists at CERN are able to somehow perfect our understanding of quantum physics: are we able to open up some portal to God's/Demiurge's dimension/Heaven and just fucking kill him? OR maybe time travel to the moment when the Demiurge created the earth/this world and just imprison him in some time cube bringing him back to earth to some fucking zoo.

Using some sort of quantum weapons we might destroy him utterly

The next tower of Babel should not be some monument of height aimet towards the celestial spheres: it should be a fucking cannon aimed towards the centre of the universe that says "We are pulling the fucking trigger if you do not show yourself you fucking coward"
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"If only I had read more tracts written by 19th century fat Scottish men"

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"Then I would have found true meaning in life"
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Economic /lit/erature

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¿What are some “must read” economic books/literature for those who want to acquire significant knowledge about theories that seem to apply in modern civilization? ¿Which ones for understanding the development of currents of though prevalent nowadays? Without having in account mathematics, let’s assume we all understand the requirements for understanding them
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I don't want to read, yet I want the knowledge contained within certain books. I'm skeptical of reading wikipedia summaries and such because I'm afraid I'm missing something important. Help.
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/crit/ - Critique thread:

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Post shit and get shit on.

Old thread: >>12919649
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Tolkien on Marriage and Differences between the Sexes

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A man's dealings with women can be purely physical (they cannot really, of course: but I mean he can refuse to take other things into account, to the great damage of his soul (and body) and theirs); or 'friendly'; or he can be a 'lover' (engaging and blending all his affections and powers of mind and body in a complex emotion powerfully coloured and energized by 'sex'). This is a fallen world. The dislocation of sex-instinct is one of the chief symptoms of the Fall. The world has been 'going to the bad' all down the ages. The various social forms shift, and each new mode has its special dangers: but the 'hard spirit of concupiscence' has walked down every street, and sat leering in every house, since Adam fell. We will leave aside the 'immoral' results. These you desire not to be dragged into. To renunciation you have no call. 'Friendship' then? In this fallen world the 'friendship' that should be possible between all human beings, is virtually impossible between man and woman. The devil is endlessly ingenious, and sex is his favourite subject. He is as good every bit at catching you through generous romantic or tender motives, as through baser or more animal ones. This 'friendship' has often been tried: one side or the other nearly always fails. Later in life when sex cools down, it may be possible. It may happen between saints. To ordinary folk it can only rarely occur: two minds that have really a primarily mental and spiritual affinity may by accident reside in a male and a female body, and yet may desire and achieve a 'friendship' quite independent of sex. But no one can count on it. The other partner will let him (or her) down, almost certainly, by 'falling in love'. But a young man does not really (as a rule) want 'friendship', even if he says he does. There are plenty of young men (as a rule). He wants love: innocent, and yet irresponsible perhaps. Allas! Allas! that ever love was sinne! as Chaucer says. Then if he is a Christian and is aware that there is such a thing as sin, he wants to know what to do about it.
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Consciousness vs Thought

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What philosophy can you recommend to help me differentiate "consciousness" from thought, sense perception, and memory? In that consciousness is an emergent property of information processing, and thought/senses/memory are physical properties tied to specific organs.

Recommended reading?
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Post your currently reading stack boys
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https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1834894.Manny_Rayner

post your profile, friend me and each other, rate, hate, debate, etc.
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epic
>It seemed like forever ago, like we've had this brief but still infinite forever. Some infinities are bigger than other infinities

Powerful.
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neetch fedora
>trying to tell Christians the world is ending
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Happy birthday to Hitler!
Is anybody reading 'Mein Kampf' today?
Perhaps you're reading it under the influence of marijuana?

Thoughts on 'Mein Kampf', Hitler, and marijuana?
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Noir/Harboiled detective fiction

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Just read this and was absolutely fantastic
What is your favourite harboiled novel?
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Why is Christian theology so based/redpilled?

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a very short introduction
Is the "a very short introduction" series good for learning philosophy?
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Books that explain sociologically what an American is?
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Schopenhauer
When we read, another person thinks for us: we merely repeat his mental process. It is the same as the pupil, in learning to write, following with his pen the lines that have been pencilled by the teacher. Accordingly, in reading, the work of thinking is, for the greater part, done for us. This is why we are consciously relieved when we turn to reading after being occupied with our own thoughts. But, in reading, our head is, however, really only the arena of some one else’s thoughts. And so it happens that the person who reads a great deal—that is to say, almost the whole day, and recreates himself by spending the intervals in thoughtless diversion, gradually loses the ability to think for himself; just as a man who is always riding at last forgets how to walk. Such, however, is the case with many men of learning: they have read themselves stupid. For to read in every spare moment, and to read constantly, is more paralysing to the mind than constant manual work, which, at any rate, allows one to follow one’s own thoughts. Just as a spring, through the continual pressure of a foreign body, at last loses its elasticity, so does the mind if it has another person’s thoughts continually forced upon it. And just as one spoils the stomach by overfeeding and thereby impairs the whole body, so can one overload and choke the mind by giving it too much nourishment. For the more one reads the fewer are the traces left of what one has read; the mind is like a tablet that has been written over and over. Hence it is impossible to reflect; and it is only by reflection that one can assimilate what one has read if one reads straight ahead without pondering over it later, what has been read does not take root, but is for the most part lost. Indeed, it is the same with mental as with bodily food: scarcely the fifth part of what a man takes is assimilated; the remainder passes off in evaporation, respiration, and the like.
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I have seen the dark universe yawning
Where the black planets roll without aim,
Where they roll in their horror unheeded,
Without knowledge, or lustre, or name.

― H. P. Lovecraft
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fichte
Where do I start with Fichte?
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dore_divine_comedy
Purgatorio > Inferno > Paradisio

Prove me wrong
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It can't be long now before his anti political correctness stance gets him labelled a closet alt-right sympathizer. Already seen multiple articles implying he agreed with Peterson on too many subjects. You have to be 100% down with everything
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Poetry 101

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Could you recommend a booj to introduce me to poetry?
I would like one that explains the different types of meter, rhythm and provide ways to understand poetry properly. Please. Thanks.
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Hidden Gems Thread

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learn me some new s**t, /lit/
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So Idealism...completely, dead, right?
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Sevastopol Stories by Tolstoy

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What are /lit/‘s thoughts on this?
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Hauntology and Retrofuturism

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What are some decent books on how stuck in nostalgia and retrofuturism much of modern culture feels like besides the collected writings of Mark Fisher?
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Kant/Schopenhauer

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I'm reading pic related right now, but I'm more interested in Schopenhauer. Do I need to read more Kant to get Schopenhauer, because I know they build off each other.
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woke
Just picked up a book called the lifetime reading plan. It's labeled as "a classic guide to literature." Has anyone tried going through these type of reading list books? How was the experience?
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Spinoza's ethics

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I certainly hope I'm not the only one who's taken an interest in this book and read it several times. Even if you didn't read it, only read a part of it, or just wanna read it, I'm curious.
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>Peterson thinks Marx linked class struggle only to capitalism because of the Manifesto
>hierarchy existed in the past. Marks brfod
Jesus, a five minute reading on historical materialism would have set this straight. This is fucking embarrassing.
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What are some books, essays, thinkers that expound upon the phenomenon observed in pic related. That is, the subversion and assimilation of the left by liberalsim. Bertrand de Jouvenel's "On Power" immediately comes to mind (his high/low vs. middle dichotomy), what are some others?
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I made an outline of 60 chapters, assigning a song from post WWII and pre 9/11 to each chapter, fitting the theme of my book. Then I assigned main characters to each chapter. What is this approach called?
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Where do I start with postmodern neo-marxism?
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How far can Buddhism help to release me from earthly desires?
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In your opinion, what is the most worthwhile intellectual tradition to read? Platonism, Marxism, Catholicism, Idealism etc Which one is for you?
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what are some good books about nuclear war?
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LOST FOOTAGE OF STIRNER

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I FOUND IT FINALLY. A VIDEO OF STIRNER. YES THAT STIRNER.
https://youtu.be/iA7hKGs5Ctc
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Books with this aesthetic?
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Phenomenology of Spirit
So, have you read and understood it ?
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Anti-Oedipus

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>manages to damn 2010s liberal movements to self-humiltatory garbage that increasingly less people side with
What did Foucault and Delueze mean by this? Were they accelerationists against the left?
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Should I read all four of them? Just Rabbit Run? Just Run and Redux?
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index
What is the closest equivalent of the word "based" from the common lexicon. I'd say it's TOUGH.
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What's /lit/'s views on the Trojan War?

Hector_and_Achilles
Who was in the right?
Agamemnon or Achillies?
Greeks or Trojans?
Hector or Paris?
Was Herodotus right in thinking the Egyptian stories about helen being kept there after being taken from Paris were true and the whole war was thought over a mistaken view that the Trojans had her when they didnt?
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What does /lit/ think of epistemological anarchy?
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clarkashtonsmith
looking for authors like this handsome lad. already read poe, lovecraft, and hodgson, so in other words, what are some books with this atmosphere featuring world-weariness, time, decay, loss of innocence, and anything else along that train of thought. gene wolfe's book of the new sun is one of my favourite books, for reference.
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The insidiousness of Jordan Peterson is that he simultaneously reduces timeless wisdom to self-help jargon and common sense advice while also affirming the righteousness and desirability of modernity. All of the problems that Peterson tackles are themselves just various manifestations of modernity itself, but nothing he talks or writes delves into this larger problem itself or how to deal with it. To the contrary, he takes religious texts that contain profound wisdom and teachings passed down through the ages and uses them as corporate bug-man self-help advice for kids who weren't raised properly. Peterson low-key pushes a mythos that western society in modernity is fundamentally just and a good thing and that aside from some irrational, stupid and greedy people that you have to deal with that everything is okay in principle.

This couldn't be more wrong. Since the emergence of civilization most of the them were united by religious traditions teaching metaphysical knowledge. All the problems of the western mentality and society stem from the loss of this. Christ, the Neoplatonists and to some extent the Hermetics and certain Greek mystery cults all had it too but the Church eventually became an encrusted coffin of doctrine with no accompanying realizations to be had hence why it failed to prevent modernity from arising in the west. Without being connected to any higher understanding in any significant amount among it's intellectual elite, western society has ever since the renaissance has in free fall accompanied by materialism, nihilism, scientism and various other forms of spiritual and cultural degeneration. Peterson affirms all this as good by buying into the faulty idea of the linear progression of civilization and humanity and by shilling it to his unaware fans.

Did you ever figure out why Peterson never seriously delves into eastern thought aside from a few boomer references to Buddhism and Confucius? It's because it totally destroys his worldview and offers completely different solutions to the ideas he address. Why did one of the largest and most impressive bodies of spiritual literature ever emerge out of society with a caste system? Because they are the right way to base a society. Most of the societal problems he address wouldn't even arise in a traditional eastern civilization pre-modernity but just reflect the state of the modern west. It's bad enough that he does all of this already but then he takes one of the few sources of timeless wisdom that are tradition in the west and reduces it to a source of bland common-sense life advice instead of a window to transcendental truths where all problems are resolved.
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Gravity Rainbow

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>That part when Slothrop eats british candy
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>previous book owner is highlighting things that are useless to the meaning of a passage
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>two rivals team up to combat greater evil

Who’s the greater evil /lit/?
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>"Anon, let's skip passionate fucking and spend the day in earnest conversation at the enjoyable college majors with our few hours of writing the essays, spend the indie cinema at that film, peruse the museum's cities and parks spending the afternoon, spend the cafe in our large boisterous friend group in earnest conversation, and spend the night today's Metaphysics lecture."
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This has to be the country with the most underrated literature, right?
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Where do i start with Nietzsche

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So what exactly defines Western ideology/thought/culture/values? What do conservatives mean when they cry out for the defense of Western values? Marxism itself is a Western ideology if you categorize things purely on where they were developed.
I've read some Allan Bloom and even there the concept felt nebulous.
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Good poetry

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I tried reading some modern poetry and it was literally the worst shit I've ever read. Can you recommend me some good, timeless poetry? Preferrably kind dark and shit
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How do you go from having a vague idea of a story to having a plot outline?
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what are books I'll regret not reading?
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where to start with Dr Seuss?

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Why didn't we listen to his warnings?
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Books that will convince me to read?
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Books about Imperial Japan

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What do I need to understand about Japan's cultural & geopolitical history to understand Imperial Japan? What are the best books about Imperial Japan?
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Just wondering, what do you guys do with the dust jacket? Leave it as is? Attach it to the book with tape or something so it doesn't slide off? Take it off entirely?
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¿What is the JOJO’s of books?

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No JJBA manga allowed
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What I'm in for?

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What are some of they key distinguishing features that separate dilettantes from people who take literature seriously?
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Give me the quick rundown on accelerationism. Which books do I read?
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Aristocratic Pedagogy

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Which texts can help me learn how the upper class was educated and how they became acquainted with the classics in centuries past?
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The Week magazine

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Anyone read it? As a wagecuck, it keeps me up to date on world events without much bias.
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I'm a Leo Naphta
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ITT: The author's superior novel.
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RIP Wisest Man
>be me
>military fag
>new guy in the platoon
>from absolute shit tier educational background
>still shows greater interest in learning than many here
>expresses a desire to maybe become a teacher when he gets out
>asks me to help him, because he is barely educated, and I'm one of the only enlisted here with a degree
>start expanding his vocabulary by teaching him new words every day
>start with the Greeks, we read the Apology together
>he finds it incredibly interested, is excited to read more
>Crito next
>also enjoys that
>asks me to lend him something to read while he goes on a ship for a month
>give him Aurelius' Meditiations, since it should be fairly simple introduction to stoicism
>he comes back having read it all and loving it
>asks if we can read The Republic next
>we do
>show him James Mattis' letter on why it's important for military leaders to read a lot, since he idolizes the man
>he new has bought Aristotle's politics to read on a deployment
>just wants to read more and grow in wisdom
>is far more well spoken than when I first met him
>he is rising above the cesspool that a terrible education put him in

Feels good my bros to have helped someone become /lit/ in a way that might last. Literally went from just being another kid from the ghetto to wanting to read Greek philosophy of his own volition. Has this happened to any of you all?
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How the fuck do you read poetry

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I think the greatest failing I've ever personally experienced in my education growing up was that I was never taught how exactly poetry works, how to read it, and how to appreciate it.

Why do poets choose the structure of their stanzas (?) the way they do? By which I mean, why are some lines short? Why are some lines long? Why do they sometimes leave a large gap between words? Is the way the poem is physically written (or printed) supposed to influence the speed, rhythm, and tone it is read in? Or is it completely arbitrary? I'm sure it must have some significance, but I never really learned what it is. I always end up just reading poetry like a book, without any regard to reading it stylistically, and I believe that's the reason why I never really learned to appreciate poetry and I don't read it often.

I've posted an example here. You can see that words sometimes have longer spaces between them than just an ordinary space. The lines start and stop on certain words for a reason, I'm sure of it, despite the fact that you could fit in another word on that line if you were simply trying to print it on as little space as possible.

>tl;dr
Why is poetry arranged the way it is? How can I learn to read it "properly" and therefore maybe learn to appreciate it more? I know virtually nothing of why poems are constructed the way they are except that rhymes usually (but not always) are at the end of a line.
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What else should I read to understand Maoism? I have the quotes from Mao but I want something more especific
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>protagonist travels the world recruiting experts and formal rivals in order to combat the greatest encroaching evil spreading throughout the land

What are some books with this feel?
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Post your short story ideas. It's not like they're going anywhere.
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Hey /lit/sters, why are minorities so much better at writing books than white people?

White people < Black people
White people < Native Americans
White people < Indians
White people < Chinese
White people < Arabic people
White people < Jewish people
White people < Southeast asians
White people < Hispanic people
White people < Japanese people
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/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

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WORLDS EDITION
>What are you currently reading?
>What's your favorite secondary world
>Thoughts on the trend of modern authors giving world building precedence over plot in their books.

Monthly Reading for April: We by Yevgeny Zamyatin

Monthly Reading books: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15ZwgDZVXB-nLqjbgcqgntZDyTddd0eqP

Fantasy:
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Flowchart:
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Science Fiction:
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General:
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
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This guy blocks your path and says:
>"Stop measuring things"
How do you respond?
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Alfred North Whitehead thread
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Authors to read in order to participate in conemporary intellectual discourse

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So, having read neither Peterson, Zizek, nor Marx, I have finally decided that I will start paying attention to some of the most influential thinkers of our age, as well as to those of the past that still hold a great influence.

First, however, I need to make a list. There will be some classics, of course, but I think most of them are not needed. I have read Plato, and, except perhaps for some of the Republic, his ideas are rarelly debated anymore outside of academia. Aristotle's Ethics is a little more popular, but it's also not mentioned very either, unless people wish to start talking about virtues, and so on, which is rare.

Here are some of the books in my list:

>classics

Hume - An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
Rousseau - Social Contract
Adam Smith - The Wealth of Nations
Burke - Reflections on the Revolution in France
Kant - Political writings
Hegel - Philosophy of History
Marx - Capital
Mill - Utilitarianism
Mill - On Liberty
Lukacs - History and Class Consiousness
Mises - Human Action
Hayek - Road to Serfdom
Popper - The Open Society
Rawls - A Theory of Justice
Nozick - Anarchy, State and Utopia

>recent

Jonathan Haidt - The Righteous Mind
Steven Pinker - How the Brain Works
Steven Pinker - The Better Angels of Our Nature
Sowell - Basic Ecoomics
Eagleton - Why Marx Was Right
Elster - Making Sense of Marx
Zizek - The Parallax View
Kolakowski - Main Currents of Marxism
Soljenitsin - Gulag Archipelago

What other books would you add to the list?
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The Capitalism and Schizophrenia books are memes his best books are Difference and Repitition, The Logic of Sense, and his books on cinema.
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>qt recommends I read Martin Eden
>says it reminds her of me
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George RR Martin working on a video game

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>writing will never be as good as video ga-
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Okay the debate convinced me to read him. What's the most accessible starting point for a brainlet who in philosophy has only read Aristotle?
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Houellebecq Is now a part of the respectful légion d'honneur. Why has M*cron proclaimed him as such? How could he destroy that noble institution so easily? Is France completely destroyed already?
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Hi. Is this the Zizek fan club board? :-)

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We just started reading in my class, what are your guy's thoughts on it? Personally I don't like it so far because it feels really hamfisted if you know what I mean. But I'm curious of what you guys think
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Is Hegel a reactionary?
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Books are a 4/5
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describe a vision you've seen while in the throes of literary ecstasy.
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>at B&N, see pic related
>don't recognize translator, decide to try it
>open it, read first line
>"Hail"
>immediately close book and put back on shelf
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I was just trying to put myself into the mind frame of someone else, and think about the emotional responses which other people give. Perhaps I am inadequate to accomplish such a task, perhaps it shows my lack of practice. But I put myself into other peoples positions and tried to imagine how I myself would react, like people who have been upset and incense with me. It's hard to imagine the underlying convictions of others though, because one can invariably only have the convictions inside of themselves.

I was thinking about myself at the coffee shop. I was afraid that the girl at the counter would look me very closely in the eyes, because then I would surely fumble because she was rather cute, and I would have perhaps made things awkward. So I just kept a focused gaze ahead of me and tried to just buy my damn coffee, as one might say, and imply with my posture that I my mind was elsewhere, that I am nothing but an impatient and grumpy old man in a young person's body.

What this interaction made me think about was the ways in which one experiences their own consciousness. One could be avoiding thinking about the moment and putting themselves mentally somewhere else, like pretending that their minds are off in the distance, and focusing ones attention on arbitrary spots in the room to avoid the fact that ones eyes are wandering hopelessly around to prevent them from opening an exposed hole into oneself by laying them on the eyes of someone beautiful. It is like thinking about where one is oneself.

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I skipped carnap and positivism. I felt like i knew what theyd been trying to say and i didnt agree. But now im reading some negarastani and he unironically likes carnap. Did i miss something? I thought carnap was a laughingstock
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What Americans could win the Nobel in the next 30 years? Could an entirely new talent emerge in that time?
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god i love mortal engines. the scale of its worldbuilding, the intrigue, the history, the silliness and seriousness that goes together like salty and sweet, its such a shame that the movie was such a tremendous, bile-seeping cock up.
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In which language should I write?
>native spanish speaker
>know english
>just started learning french
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Why do you idolize him despite the fact that he committed suicide?
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This, but unironically

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Please fucking explain
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What should i read? I really liked catcher in the rye,ham on rye, and no longer human. I identify strongly with the protagonists and see them as "correct" in general
I like tolkien beyond just lotr. Not really a big fan of fantasy in general. I liked dandelion wine by bradbury
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what are the books THEY dont want you to know about?
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Go on /lit/, prove to me you’re not a drone. Post the actual non-meme last book you read which you overall had a negative opinion of.
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Why do not you try to live reality instead of watching it in the distance?
Get closer to reality, without having to live a life marked by the suffering of trying to give the world a personality destroying yourself
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What did James Joyce mean by this?
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the worst part of this whole novel was the fact every interaction and conversation was backed with genuine emotion and intellect put into their thoughts and words. there is no way i could imagine any other conversation going down than "oh okay" and someone looks back down at their phone
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